Most women today can only relate to anti-feminism on the level of BDSM fantasy

No woman ever became excited back when I was a feminist and I told women about things I liked in feminism, ie things I liked about treating women with gentleness and other feminine virtues. I even tried different variations of feminism: radical feminism, socialist feminism etc.. The lowest point for me was hitting on a lesbian and talking about socialist feminism in hopes of impressing her. Probably most of reddit.com/r/foreveralone are male feminists, and there are no women hitting them up because of cool feminist takes they have on issues (for example that inceldom is caused by a looks-personality mismatch instead of women being hyper-selective when given the freedom)

It seems like everyone in the manosphere, from Heartiste to Jordan Peterson imply that you can leverage mild anti-feminism to romantic advantage. This seems exaggerated, as modern pick-up-artists, todays self-described incels/MGTOWs, and other anti-feminists do not appear to have women knocking down their door. “World renowned”, “female seducer”, RooshV recently spoke of himself being willing to resort to women that need sponge-bathing, out of desperation. Anti-feminism seems to be a domain of mainly single men, take of that what you will.

While not attracted to anti-feminism, they may be attracted to violence and control

So, in general I dont think that marching around your anti-feminist bonafides is some kind of aphrodisiac, I have also tried this. It may simply attract different women if one is successful with this route.

The only time I was able to sext with a woman I met off a dating site was using the word incel as a self-descriptor. She was interested in masturbating after getting angry at me about incels not respecting female sexual freedom. This is not an interpretation on my part, this is literally how it went down chronologically. She also went on to basically demand I text her in a more controlling way later after the sexting began. So, yes, for some women anti-feminism becomes sexy when it is interpreted as patriarchy and sexual dominance. It can feed into female appreciation for sexual dominance. There are also other similar examples involving at least four other women I met off social media that year.

However, this interaction (as well as virtually every sexual interaction I had with a feminist) only occurred in the context of there being a mass shooting by a self-described incel a couple months earlier. I had made it known that I was a prominent self-described incel in my dating bio, assuming it might play into hybristophiliac and submissive fantasies women have. Turns out I was right, at least for some women. My prediction is the less an anti-feminist ideology is associated with violence, the less sexual opportunity those anti-feminists will have.

(Disclaimer: I am not advocating violence, not is this dating advice, nor do I have violent thoughts or wish violence on people. If you want a woman as fast as possibe, best bet is to get rich or at the very least get abs)

I have been in other groups of people before as they were starting to gain traction in society and was never hit on because of those things. This includes being in socialist parties WAY before it was cool, and during their rise to prominence. Socialism wasn’t sexy to any women, but this media caricature of incels is to some apparently. It’s possible I can be completly wrong, and women just mainly respond to trending events and incels were trending more than socialism during my stint in each group of respective community. But there does exist a lot of literature suggesting women are much more sexually attracted to violence than men. If anyone needs those sources I can dig them up.

Another weird interaction comes to mind. Earlier this year, I was complaining to a therapist that therapists in general do not have a treatment model for romantic or sexual failure (I was very polite in discussing this). The immediate verbal response from the female therapist was to ask me where I was on the BDSM spectrum. I SHIT YOU NOT. It was the weirdest fucking question ever, and had absolutely nothing to do (to me) with what I had just talked about two seconds earlier. The only thing she knew about my attitude towards sex and romance was that I was annoyed at people who only think of it in terms of women having sexual freedom or not, and all men just go to hell if need be.

Female fantasy of men viewing sex as a natural right

Image and caption above from the New Yorker, an enormous US media publication

Lots of articles in the media have described incels in a way that seems to come out of attraction to violence, specifically BDSM fantasies, more than anything else. Take for example, this piece in the New Yorker, written by a woman, that describes incels as organized (in her words, political), and ideologically about sex as a natural right, just waiting to subjucate women against their will to sex slavery. Now…. this is a bit laughable. While there are incel posters that post like that, the idea that most incels think sex is a natural right…. This is pure fantasy on the part of the writer. The idea that there are these group of men who do not respect the law because they view sex as a natural right, and therefore are just teetering on lawlessness is dumb. Maybe there are men teetering on lawlessness because they want sex, and sex is an extremely strong natural desire. But maybe it is more exciting for feminists to frame everything, including incels, according to the mentality of a rape advocating patriarch. It is much more boring to acknowledge incels as a bunch of men who just want to feel loved and comforted by women, sexually, physically and emotionally but are given no actual societal help to find such things when they are hard to access.

Women should be more clear about what they want, after all we could all be wrong

Whether women want more wealthy men than them, men who are toxic, men who are violent, men who are muscular is something women can and should discover for themselves by taking a look at their actual sexual selection process throughout their entire life. And then come back to men and tell us exactly what those things are. Because we are tired of being lied to. Most men are good guys, but some men stop being good guys because women dont want no scrubs (according to them) and the competition to not become a scrub by necessity involves making other men feel bad. While men also have standards, we accept scrubs and are honest about what we want and do not want when pressed. We dont need songs to appeal to some desires we can never articulate in public. If women could just implement a set of standards for men: ie this much money etc… that would even be preferable to learning 10 years after you start dating, or when you lose your job in a relationship, what the actual standards are/were.




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